{"id":4404,"date":"2007-02-09T11:47:23","date_gmt":"2007-02-09T11:47:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.thesocialmedia.com\/leblogenergie\/2007\/02\/09\/nuclaire-je-con\/"},"modified":"2012-07-12T09:50:08","modified_gmt":"2012-07-12T09:50:08","slug":"nuclaire-je-con","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.thesocialmedia.com\/leblogenergie\/2007\/02\/09\/nuclaire-je-con\/","title":{"rendered":"Nucl\u00e9aire : je confirme."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.thesocialmedia.com\/leblogenergie\/files\/2012\/07\/nucleaire_11.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"250\" height=\"243\"  src=\"http:\/\/blogs.thesocialmedia.com\/leblogenergie\/files\/2012\/07\/nucleaire_1.jpg\" alt=\"Nucleaire_1\" style=\"margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;float: left\" \/><\/a>je cite un internaute (qui me citait):<br \/>&quot;l\u00e0, o\u00f9 le b\u00e2t a bless\u00e9, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;on ne disposait d&rsquo;aucun syst\u00e8me de simulation fiable, pour cause d&rsquo;absence de donn\u00e9es sur la r\u00e9sistance des mat\u00e9riaux.&quot;<br \/> Bien s\u00fbr, les ing\u00e9nieurs n&rsquo;ont fait aucune \u00e9tudes mat\u00e9riaux, il n&rsquo;y a eu aucune d\u00e9monstration s\u00fbret\u00e9, ils ont dessin\u00e9 un remontage r\u00e9acteur au pif&#8230;<br \/> &quot;On a dit beaucoup de b\u00eatise sur le nucl\u00e9aire.&quot;<br \/> Vous y contribuez beaucoup&#8230;&quot;&quot;<\/p>\n<p>libre \u00e0 vous de le penser, mais vous semblez ignorer toute proc\u00e9dure industrielle. <br \/>D&rsquo;abord on est au stade de la conception, ensuite on passe au stade des tests, enfin de la r\u00e9alisation du prototype (l\u00e0, en industrie on a facilement pass\u00e9 75 ans), le prototype, souvent grandeur nature peut <\/p>\n<p>\u00eatre mis au point, enfin, la mise au point est faite apr\u00e8s bien des ann\u00e9es. L\u00e0, on dispose d&rsquo;un outil performant et vendable. Le prototype est souvent inexploitable, et il existe des zones industrielles, des firmes souvent sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9es dans ce cr\u00e9neau. Entre le d\u00e9but et la fin, un bon si\u00e9cle peut s&rsquo;\u00e9couler&#8230;<br \/>Si on ne respecte pas la proc\u00e9dure, on peut dire qu&rsquo;on va directement dans le mur, et sans airbag, ni<a href=\"http:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vaseline\"> vaseline<\/a>.<br \/>Cette proc\u00e9dure a largement \u00e9t\u00e9 respect\u00e9e pour les centrales classiques, et beaucoup moins pour superph\u00e9nix. Quand \u00e0 l&rsquo;arr\u00eat de 3 ans et 1\/2, il a bien eu lieu. Les<a href=\"http:\/\/www.oecdnea.org\/html\/law\/nlbfr\/nlb-76\/welcome.html\"> proc\u00e9dures en mati\u00e8re nucl\u00e9aire<\/a> \u00e9taient l\u00e0. Quand on veut une industrie qui s&rsquo;arr\u00eate et red\u00e9marre \u00e0 la demande, on travaille dans le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.papiercarton.com\/\">papier-carton<\/a>, pas dans le nucl\u00e9aire.<br \/>Que cet internaute m&rsquo;explique son opposition \u00e0 toute \u00e9valuation d&rsquo;une politique (ce qui est plut\u00f4t normal, et m\u00eame vital), superph\u00e9nix a \u00e9t\u00e9 un ratage, aussi parceque ses partisans ont beaucoup vari\u00e9s&#8230; Et, si on voulait faire un prototype, vraiment prototype, et vraiment destin\u00e9 \u00e0 la mise au point, il aurait fallu n&rsquo;avoir aucun objectif de production, d&rsquo;abord, b\u00e2tir beaucoup plus petit, et prendre le temps.<br \/>Oui, aucune simulation en situation n&rsquo;avait \u00e9t\u00e9 faite (et pour cause), et pour ce qui est du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unige.ch\/sebes\/textes\/1995\/95PLgestion.html\">vieillissement des mat\u00e9riaux expos\u00e9s au bombardement des neutrons rapides<\/a>, on en avait strictement aucune id\u00e9e&#8230;<br \/>Si on a pas une certaine id\u00e9e du temps, inutile de penser \u00e0 l&rsquo;industrie, un forestier travail pour ses petits enfants quand il plante, c&rsquo;est aussi vrai pour la recherche industrielle&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>je cite un internaute (qui me citait):&quot;l\u00e0, o\u00f9 le b\u00e2t a bless\u00e9, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;on ne disposait d&rsquo;aucun syst\u00e8me de simulation fiable, pour cause d&rsquo;absence de donn\u00e9es sur la r\u00e9sistance des mat\u00e9riaux.&quot; 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